What The ... Gary Busey and Billy Zane in Anti-US Propaganda Film From Turkey?

Awesome!

GO TURKEY!

FYI, Israel is known to to have removed the organs of Palestinians killed by the IDF.

So this is not purely "propaganda", sometimes you just need to open up your eyes to reality.

"Awesome"? "Go Turkey!"?

These kinds of hate messages are counterproductive to any sort of meaningful dialogue. There is no evidence whatsoever to support allegations of organ harvesting of Palestinians or of anyone else by Israeli forces. Nevertheless, there is amply documented evidence that "the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) often carried out... operations in a manner that failed to demonstrate that it had used all feasible measures to avoid or minimize harm to civilians and their property, [signaling]... a growing pattern of IDF “arrest operations” in which security forces kill the target of arrest or bystanders rather than seeking to apprehend the target.

[At the same time,]Palestinian armed groups carried out three lethal suicide bombing attacks inside Israel in 2005, killing fifteen Israelis and injuring scores more. Armed groups also carried out several roadside shootings and bomb attacks in the OPT, killing several Israeli civilians. In addition, on several occasions, Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip fired home-made rockets, known as Qassams, and mortar shells into Israel and at Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip (up until the withdrawal in August), which killed several Israelis, Palestinians, and foreign workers. These weapons are inherently indiscriminate and are generally fired at civilian areas, in contravention of IHL." (Human Rights Watch, 2005 Report)

Clearly, the targeting of civilians by both Israelis and Palestinians must come to an end. All of us would like to put a stop to the senseless torture, assassination and killing. But the posting of hate messages and outright falsehoods on the internet only adds fuel to the fire.

Kurtlar Vadisi, was a very populair tv serie in Turkey, that just have ended. I believe there were 97 episodes around the 40 minutes each. In Turkey there are more tv series than movies, this one was the most populair. Probably because every episode was well written and directed. I think we are gonna hear a lot about this movie.
It will be released on the 9th of february in Turkey, Germany, Austria, Belgium and the Netherlands
If people are interested in this movie, here is a link to the official website:
http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/
(also in English)

Well....uh....not good.

You know it really doesn't feel good when the shoe is on the other foot now does it kids? How many times have western films villinized the hell out of middle easteners for no other reason than society has said that we could? Now they're doing the same thing right back.
Is it right? No. Is it fair? Kind of. Is it poetic? Oh yeah.

Yeah...even though I am against racism of any kind...I kind of have to agree this is sweet revenge on the Americans who have so often f*cked up depictions of other cultures in their own films.

For me the hot button here is Jewish vivisectionists stealing organs from dead people and selling them on the black market. I have this on rumor about the film, but couldn't find any info to back it up elsewhere. The problem with this is that a) it's stupid, I mean why not just dress up the Jews like vampire bats and have them fly around sucking the blood out of innocent Muslim children (actually, that would be a little cooler); b) it promotes the blood libel which is really stupid. The idea that Jews used/needed the blood of Christians for their "dark rituals" has been around since the 12th Century and probably was around even before that. In fact, it was probably around for as long as people were able to come up with dumb ideas. Every now and then it rears its ugly head in one form or another and, frankly, it just makes the people who utter it look like total morons. Since I reported something that is only rumor at this point then right now the only person who looks like they'll wind up being a moron is me. So don't you guys all go jumping in the moron pool as well, it's crowded in here.

Basically there are two things to like or dislike here. Anti-American movie that plays US soldiers getting killed for the thrills of an audience = not something I totally rally around, but I'm interested in seeing it because, well, it's one of the first times this point of view has infiltrated pop cinema.

However, Jewish people harvesting organs = a repetition of the blood libel. I still want to see it, but at this point the movie has jumped the shark of common sense and is off in stupid land with my Aunt Carol who hasn't been taking her meds and thinks that Chinese people can read her mind and use her thoughts to make the sayings in fortune cookies.

this will only polarize the debate, this will only widen the conflict between islam and the west

Poorly acted, propaganda movie. S.it happens everywhere, especially during wartime. Who knows. But hey, Rambo started all this, didn't he. Its just a movie, judge it that way and you'll see its a cheap flick and no eye feast.. and I am turkish by the way..

There are plenty of books in your Barnes & Nobel that have just as ridiculous and disgusting accusations as the organ harvesting mentioned here--and they point fingers at whoever you want to hate: the US, Britain, Japan, China, Korea (north or south), isreal, pakistan, germany, Vietnam, France, ect, and any combination of those whether as current events or historical. Of course some accusations are real, but MOST media seems to capitalize on the target customers prejuices or hate towards tbe demonized group--and use that as a license to get as outrageous as possible. Unless we are talking about serious journalism or documentation, I don't see the point of getting rilled up. No nation is innocent of such demonization, regarless of whatever ill impact it may have in real life (if any).
About the only thing you can do in this case is laugh. Just like you (hopfully) laugh at the big hollywood films of the same nature.

After a legendary success as a Turkish soap opera, Kurtlar Vadisi continues marching to shake the Box Office records. After watching the film, it is completely possible to think in two different aspects. If you are an American and Jewish(as a plus) you may find this movie very dishonoring, however, the characters in the movie do not have to match with the real people in real life. The other part of viewers will definitely like this movie because of the heroic Turkish characters acting in the movie.

People have to read much more newspaper and watch different T.V. channels in order to learn diversified information from different aspects of views. Without having enough information about the current situation in Iraq, it is nonsense to make this kind of comments.

As general, this movie is the one with most budget in the history of Turkish movie sector with a $10,000,000. All the special effects, make-up scenes are to be seen. The special effect director is the one of the movie "The Troy" and the make-up director is the one from the movie "The Kingdom of Heaven".

This movie is trying to emphasize one thing very clearly.not anti jewism,not anti christianism...it is against american capitalism which tries to make more and more money no matter how.no matter how many innocent people have to be killed,no matter how immoral and violent they become.they(the american capitalists) cooperate with a nation against its neighbor first,then cooperate with the neighbor against that nation,sell weapons to both of them,and steal both of their national resources and then seems to try to make peace between them.seperate and govern...but world is waking up.this movie is a great example of people who havent been able to be fooled yet.unfortunately this kind of intelligent people are minority in the world.but increasing very rapidly.
if middle east people learn from this catastrophe ,if they ignore ignorance,they will unite like they did 7 centuries ago and they can be a great power in the world again.this movie and this kind of books and others are a lesson to the turks,arabs(sunnis and shiites) and kurds.once,usa cooperated with saddam against iran and in the iraq immorality(i'm sorry,i cant call it a war,cos it's one sided attack) they cooperated with shiites against saddam.saddam bombed kurds with the american weapons and now american troops are in cooperation with kurds...kurds are provoked to be an independent small country in northern iraq,south-west turkey and north iran.then who think seriously this kurdish country will be independent from american capitalism?

This movie is trying to emphasize one thing very clearly.not anti jewism,not anti christianism...it is against american capitalism which tries to make more and more money no matter how.no matter how many innocent people have to be killed,no matter how immoral and violent they become.they(the american capitalists) cooperate with a nation against its neighbor first,then cooperate with the neighbor against that nation,sell weapons to both of them,and steal both of their national resources and then seems to try to make peace between them.seperate and govern...but world is waking up.this movie is a great example of people who havent been able to be fooled yet.unfortunately this kind of intelligent people are minority in the world.but increasing very rapidly.
if middle east people learn from this catastrophe ,if they ignore ignorance,they will unite like they did 7 centuries ago and they can be a great power in the world again.this movie and this kind of books and others are a lesson to the turks,arabs(sunnis and shiites) and kurds.once,usa cooperated with saddam against iran and in the iraq immorality(i'm sorry,i cant call it a war,cos it's one sided attack) they cooperated with shiites against saddam.saddam bombed kurds with the american weapons and now american troops are in cooperation with kurds...kurds are provoked to be an independent small country in northern iraq,south-west turkey and north iran.then who think seriously this kurdish country will be independent from american capitalism?
there is one thing for sure:
NOBODY except for some people who sell their souls for money WANTS EXISTENCE OF THE USA IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!

First of all I have watched the movie. And before making comments I suggest every american to watch it first. exxonmobil makes profit american soldiers dies. the soldiers dies for what ? do you ever think is it realistic that government aims to bring peace order and democracy ? If government gives 1 million dollar to the families who lost their sons the loss will be less then 5% of exxonmobils profit. If you are not the one who owned the company you gain nothing but the hate of billion muslim. America has a 300 billion dollar of millitary funds. nearest one is russia which has 60 billion. if america decrease this number to 120 billion dollar it will be still 5 times of the sum of enemies and twice of russia. and 180 billion will be useful for education, health, scientific researches, and wealthy. critical thinking is important for the future of americans.

"Rambo started all this, didn't he."

Eh? How's that, then? Rambo (First Blood) was about an American veteran being persecuted by narrow-minded American citizens. It's got nothing to do with this film.

that movie is very important because of its showing two important facts.
1) why did American soldiers come to Iraq and what they did?
2) the one who grows wind,crops storm.

American soldiers came to Iraq to bring Democracy but what they did there was nothing else but tyranny.we have watched the soldiers murdering innocent people.we have witnessed that crime of The World's Police(!) on the screens of our TVs.America thought that there was Nuclear Weapons in Iraq (despite it has never been proved) and created terrorism in Iraq.the terrorism still goes on there and time will show what will happen.

In such movies America has always been depicted as Police and other nations (does not matter which nations they are) Murderers.America has allways prevented violence in such movies.What a surprising that America is the murderer in that movie.that is happily ironic.

you americans dont have the right to complain why a famous american actor acts for a paycheck in a movie which is against the american troops.u all created this capitalism.money can buy people in your country easily.i lived in the usa for a while.nobody trusts eachother,so every single thing is made by a lot of contracts,paperwork...u all might lose your souls for such an amount too.turkish actors acted in an anti-turkish american movie midnight express and u all said "they are proffesional and they are performing their jobs." and now look what u r saying...what kind of a conflict is this?congratulations billy zane...i dont know if he is just proffesional or really against the evil in iraq but thanx anyways...thanx for your help to show some realities to some narrow minded people...

Hey Guys, i can't understand u.
Its only a movie, only a MOVIE!!! in Hollywood style. The conspiracy Theories are a part of this movie. In every film we've seen such things. And why not American Soldiers, are they free of being acted "evil" in movies, in other parts of the world. I don't think it has a political message for us, this movie just wants to entertain us like other movies. Its a movie to make money, and it'll make a lot of money :).So plz don't debatte about an ACTION MOVIE only for the reason that american soldiers are "evil". Just watch and enjoy. And let me tell u something too in the tv series of the movie are also appearing the illuminate, so u can imagine how the plot is written. Some parts of the story are true and the other added. Like thriller from Tom Clancy, they sound damned real but aren't. So just watch and enjoy this MOVIE

When midnight express was made,everybody was saying that it was just a movie.now what is this? be objective and see the movie with the different perspective. Why are you guys taking personal,if it was just only movie.

The reactions are so typical of muslims. Blame the US or Jews or Israel for all your problems. Hussein attacks Iran, blame the US! Hey, didn't the Americans cause the giant tidal wave, with a big jewish machine? Oh, and I love msd's comments...thats exactly what the world needs right now, a united middle east of Islam, so they can finish the job the nazies started, by creating the most repressive, vile, hateful world that anyone could ever dream of. Look how you muslims treat your women, and each other. The only thing that unites you is hatred. A world ruled by haters, based on hatred of all others not muslim, and a bunch who are muslim...like any muslim that speaks out again muslim intolerance. A world ruled by bearded, toothless smelly clerics like those in Iran, who think nothing about sending the poor peoples children to blow themselves up, but never their own. The muslim culture was great back when they practiced tolerance of others. No, really, there was a time when that occured. What the world needs is TOLERANCE. Tolerance of those that are differant. Of those that believe differantly than you. Hatred begets hatred, etc, etc.

Where is this movie playing? This site should include links to theatres that have showtimes for this movie cuz I cant find it!

The world needs tolerance Amerigo? Much like the abject tolerance you have for the Muslim world?
Until you understand a diferent culture, studied it, lived it, breathed it in, etc., you have no right, and I repeat NO RIGHT, to take a superior attitude to it. Has the Muslim world produced some problems, yes, yes it has. But so has every other group of people on the face of this earth. The only way we will ever achive true tolerance is when everyone, including you reading this, put away your preconceptions and baseless beliefs and actually get around to being tolerant and understanding.
Everyone is guilty, but that also means everyone can be the solution.

@ amerigo, i would say the reactions are so typical of americans. Your opinion is so narrowminded and dumb, you are one of these patriots who will always protect the "great and only" U. states, either its right or wrong. Be a little more objective when u are writing. I too don't support such clerics in iran, the regime in north korea or suicidebomb dudes. But tell me why no other country has the right to produce a part real and a part fictional movie, where the americans soldiers are evil guys? The american film industry does that every time too. Anyone is always the evil in a movie, and the most time its fictional, real or both mixed. This movie wants attention and the more attention it gets, the more success it'll have. i would call this PR. There're a lot of muslims who're tolerant and peaceful, they all arent the same. Like no american citizen is the same. So plz dont talk about politics or muslims u don't know!
Prejudice is ignorance!

Yaaaa...Sikerler adamı böle..Siz anti-islamcılığı yayarsanız biride kıçınıza böle anti-amerikancılığı sokar..Askerlerinizin Irak'ta ne bok yediğini anlayın...

To Thalion: I wasn't refering to the movie. I couldn't care less about the movie or what it portrays. I was refering to the fact that so many muslims are silent. The fact that the bloodthirsty islamists are the only voice heard in the west, leads people to believe that is the voice of Islam. Like a previous poster, I have lived in the Muslim world..in Egypt as a matter of fact. I have seen how the coptic christians are treated...have you? Did you know that churches must be built in the shadows of a mosque? Did you know that no church can have a speeple higher than a mosques minarets, muslim countries routinely persecute anyone that is not muslim, then muslims in the west scream insanely when they feel they have been mistreated. There are almost NO muslims that actually have the courage to speak out publically again muslim intolerance for fear of the extremists murdering them. Thisis understandable, but when such voices remain silent, you cannot fault the west for believeing you are all terrorists.

To Thalion: I wasn't refering to the movie. I couldn't care less about the movie or what it portrays. I was refering to the fact that so many muslims are silent. The fact that the bloodthirsty islamists are the only voice heard in the west, leads people to believe that is the voice of Islam. Like a previous poster, I have lived in the Muslim world..in Egypt as a matter of fact. I have seen how the coptic christians are treated...have you? Did you know that churches must be built in the shadows of a mosque? Did you know that no church can have a speeple higher than a mosques minarets, muslim countries routinely persecute anyone that is not muslim, then muslims in the west scream insanely when they feel they have been mistreated. There are almost NO muslims that actually have the courage to speak out publically again muslim intolerance for fear of the extremists murdering them. Thisis understandable, but when such voices remain silent, you cannot fault the west for believeing you are all terrorists.
Oh and to Mrjuju: My "intolerance" doesn't involve murdering innocent muslims with strapped on bombs, crashing planes into buildings, and whatever my insane clergy can talk me in to by promising 72 virgins when I die. Muslim intolerance does. Therefore I bristle when you compare the two.
Listen guys, I don't hate anyone. I just see what I see and am speaking out about it. You can dismiss me as a muslim hater, but if my posts get you to think for even a moment, then it was worth the effort.

@ amerigo I'm muslim too, and i live in Germany and it's normal here that mosques aren't higher as churches, i think the reason for that is, is that i'm living in a christian country, wow have i heard intolerance? No, i have to respect the truth that i'm living in a christian country. i'm more tolerant as you can imagine. I say it again not every muslim is the same as the other, i'am very liberal. There may be some of them who blows themselves away, flying into buildings, but a lot of the muslims i say it again a lot of MUSLIMS are not amused about global-terror and taken their religion into dirt. And if you would have read the holy quoran you would know that there's nothing written about to kill innocent civillians, destroy buildings and other terroristic acts. What you mean is the talking of clerics or terror groups which mislead the people, it has nothing to do with the, most of them peaceful, muslims.

Thalion! Bravo! You understand! My point is that what the west needs to hear are voices like yours. Lots of them.
Now, regarding how muslims or americans are portrayed in films...anybody that can be swayed into hating an entire race, religion, or country, simply by viewing a made for profit film deserves what they get. Do not think that if us Americans see an arab terrorist in a film, like True Lies for example, that we think all arabs are terrorists....we don't. Many of my fellow Americans are arabs. I work with them everyday. People have to never brand an entire group by the actions of a few. Believe it or not, I tell people all the time that there is good and bad in all groups, including muslims. I would just like a little help from the muslim community once in a while.
And let me just say this about evil American capatalism. Most of us Americans are just poor working folks like all you out there. We have about as much input in the government as you do. The capatalism you refer to is really large multinational corporations that are run out of several countries at once by more than just Americans. Let me say this. The average american, you know the ones who's kids are dying every day in Iraq, supported the war to free the Iraqie people from the arab Hitler Saddam. Not for oil, or whatever you prefer. I'm not speaking for Bush, just the common man here. We went in with the best of intentions. I don't buy the arguement that there were no weapons. Everybody knows he used poison gas against his own people and Iran. The weapons are now in Syria. But, come on, can anyone out there really say the Iraqies were better off under Saddam? Maybe we didn't plan it out to well, I'll give you that, but what about putting some blame on the insurgents? And finally, I'll ask you this, just think about it....if Iraq is better off now that Saddam is out of power, what other country in the world would have sacrificed so many sons to help people, unappreciative people, so far away? Not a single country in the world beside the US. Remember that. Say what you want about Bush and the government, but its OUR sons and daughters giving their lives to free muslims from their tyranical leadership. Thanks for listening and discoursing with me.

TURKEY, proud of you !!!

u have to watch this movie , if u dont see reality in real wolrd ,u ll see reality in this movie

TURKEY, proud of you !!!

u should watch this movie , if u dont see reality in real world ,u ll see reality in this movie

What reality Bloodstone? That jews are stealing your organs? This world has no hope....

This movie must be watched for a better understanding of israel and america.
ı am sorry sometimes the reality may not be good for you

Who can tell me that the things the amerikans say to be true in the movie "Midnight Express" are actually true?
But they make otherwise those type of movies very well don`t they !
such as these...

Black Hawk Down
Alexander

..and by the way, why do men want people to see arablooking people get killed for no reason at the second or the last episode of the movie "lord of the rings", have you ever thought about that,I really want to know why they{arablooking army at ellifants} appear in the middle of the movie and get killed and then the movie went on.Is that then not hate, racism , frustraition of the scenariowriter or not, and the whole world may see it.

No Atilla, it's called paranoia....look it up. Arab looking men getting killed in Lord Of The Rings...is there no conspiracy that is too great for people like you to swallow? Oh I know! Peter Jackson must be part of the Global Jewish Conspiracy right?
I am confused by the constant referances to Midnight Express. I saw the film when it came out as a teenager, here in the US. As far as I can remember, a teen gets busted for trying to smuggle hashish out of Turkey. Life in the Turkish prison was pretty unpleasant. How did this movie reflect poorly on Turkey or Islam? Is life really pleasant and happy in a prison? It may be in Turkey but it's not here. Furthermore, I distinctly remember the message being DONT SMUGGLE DRUGS. Was that somehow the wrong message to send? I always heard that Turkey was a close friend and ally of the US. Sounds like the Islamists are spreading their poison pretty well there now. Get ready to lose your freedoms. But those that are unwilling to defend their freedoms dont deserve any, and will soon lose theirs. All your venom spewing hatred toward the US, Israel, Jews, Christians, B'hais, and any other non muslim that you choose to scape goat, while ignoring your backwards, repressive religious leadership, will only serve to insure that you sink back into the stone age like in Iran. Look at whats happening in the world right now! Muslims burning embassies because they cannot wrap their mind around the concept of a free press, while Sunni's blow up Shia trying to celebrate a holiday. Now thats what I call a superior, tolerant religion. Can you people not look at Islam and say "hmmm, maybe something is wrong here"?" Maybe our attitude ought to change a little. Maybe the fact that Israel even exists at all, is not reason for us to destroy the entire world." Sadly, I really think that that is way to much to expect of you folks. You know I dont think I will post here anymore, probably to many of you all's relief. I really think it's hopeless. But if you think that a world without Jews, Christians, Americans, etc would be a better place for you, I would disagree. You guys would be chopping off hands so fast, each others hands, for writing this or thinking that, that nobody would have a hand left to post. You all proved my assertions in earlier posts with your own words. It's all so sad.

I kind of agree Amerigo. Here's my question to muslims. If you hate americans for making films that depict Islam in a bad light, why do you imitate what you hate? You consistantly prove yourselves no better than the people you purport to hate. I look at Israel and I see muslim terrorist blowing up women and children. I see Israel respond by "targeted assassinations". Civilians may die in these attacks, but they arent the sole target. When muslims feel they are being mistreated, instead of taking the high road and saying "this is wrong", they always respond by doing something ten times worse than what done to them. I will ask you what I ask of all people of any religion. What good is your religion if no one follows it. Did Jesus really want the inquisition? Does Allah really want innocent people blown up by terrorist bombs? I hate religion. I think it's the worst thing that mankind ever created. If you really hate the way you are depicted in american films, how does out doing them in sterotpical, racist fashion solve anything? Do you really feel that much better about yourselves now that you made americans look bad, and jews as organ stealers? wow, you showed us!~

Finally you shut up amerigo, thanks! You've talked too much. I can only hear you hate talkings about muslims, muslims and again muslims. I'm against terrorism and harsh regimes, but you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why that all happens. And especially the iraq war, there are a lot of evidence that the U. States attacked iraq because of oil, oil, oil. And the most of the president bushs staff, like chenney are corrupt, that a fact and there werre shown documents in the public. But you cant see something like this you believe every propaganda in the media without doubting if its right or wrong. The USA forms a democratic Iraq for the public and behind it they use'em like a puppet. I call such thing imperialism or slavery. And why they do this because america is soon, 10-15 years, out of oil. Naturally you cant see such things. And by the way The Iraq don't shipped out any weapons to syria, because they had no weapons at this time. The weapons you're talking about, saddam usethem early nintys against kurdish and other folks in the irak. I dont like saddam and company too, like the most of you but it wasn't necessary to make a big war. And a few months ago, perhaps last month i dont remember exactly the u. states admitted in the public talk that they get false informations of the secret service. You can call me paranioid, but a lot of experts in the world, not muslims only, have investigated and have evidence that there were no weapons in iraq and that the war against the iraq was planned very long before. Dont understand me wrong, I DONT protect cruel saddam and company or any other cruel dictator. But its true that the United states made the war for Profit especially the bush clan and his staff. I tell you again im against violence in every form, the most of the muslims are peaceful people. I must admitt that there are fanatics who are misleaded by clerics and terror groups, but i dont think its right to burn houses down or kill people for a cartoon. I also want to say that middleeast is and was always a problematic region. And i myself can understand both palestines and israels problems i hope they will have a solution in sooner time. I m not against any jew, japanese or chinese or something. Thank you for your audience, this was also my last post. And plz learn to accept critics, as i above said

Finally you shut up amerigo, thanks! You've talked too much. I can only hear you hate talking about muslims, muslims and again muslims. I'm against terrorism and harsh regimes, but you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why that all happens. And especially the iraq war, there are a lot of evidence that the U. States attacked iraq because of oil, oil, oil. And the most of the president bushs staff, like chenney are corrupt. But you cant see something like this you believe every propaganda in your media without doubting if its right or wrong. The USA forms a democratic Iraq for the public and behind it they use'em like a puppet. I call such thing imperialism or slavery. And why they do this because america is soon, 10-15 years, out of oil. Naturally you cant see such things. And by the way The Iraq don't shipped out any weapons to syria, because they had no weapons at this time. The weapons you're talking about, saddam usethem early nintys against kurdish and other folks in the irak. I dont like saddam and company, like the most of you but it wasn't necessary to make a big war. And a few months ago perhaps last month i dont remember exactly the u. states admitted in the public that they get false informations of the secret service. You can call me paranioid, but a lot of experts in the world, not muslims, have investigated and have evidence that there were no weapons in iraq and that the war against the iraq was planned very long before. Dont understand me wrong, I DONT protect cruel saddam and company or any other cruel dictator. But its true that the United states made the war for Profit especially the bush clan and his staff. And anyone who says I tell again im against violence in every form, the most of the muslims are peaceful people. I must admitt that there are fanatics who are misleaded by clerics and terror groups, but i dont think its right to burn houses down or kill people for a cartoon. I also want to say that middleeast is and was always a problematic region. And i myself can understand both palestines and israels problems i hope they will have a solution in sooner time. Thank you for your audience, this was also my last post.

Finally you shut up amerigo, thanks! You've talked too much. I can only hear you hate talking about muslims, muslims and again muslims. I'm against terrorism and harsh regimes, but you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why that all happens. And especially the iraq war, there are a lot of evidence that the U. States attacked iraq because of oil, oil, oil. And the most of the president bushs staff, like chenney are corrupt. But you cant see something like this you believe every propaganda in your media without doubting if its right or wrong. The USA forms a democratic Iraq for the public and behind it they use'em like a puppet. I call such thing imperialism or slavery. And why they do this because america is soon, 10-15 years, out of oil. Naturally you cant see such things. And by the way The Iraq don't shipped out any weapons to syria, because they had no weapons at this time. The weapons you're talking about, saddam usethem early nintys against kurdish and other folks in the irak. I dont like saddam and company, like the most of you but it wasn't necessary to make a big war. And a few months ago perhaps last month i dont remember exactly the u. states admitted in the public that they get false informations of the secret service. You can call me paranioid, but a lot of experts in the world, not muslims, have investigated and have evidence that there were no weapons in iraq and that the war against the iraq was planned very long before. Dont understand me wrong, I DONT protect cruel saddam and company or any other cruel dictator. But its true that the United states made the war for Profit especially the bush clan and his staff. And anyone who says I tell again im against violence in every form, the most of the muslims are peaceful people. I must admitt that there are fanatics who are misleaded by clerics and terror groups, but i dont think its right to burn houses down or kill people for a cartoon. I also want to say that middleeast is and was always a problematic region. And i myself can understand both palestines and israels problems i hope they will have a solution in sooner time. Thank you for your audience, this was also my last post.

Finally you shut up amerigo, thanks! You've talked too much. I can only hear you hate talking about muslims, muslims and again muslims. I'm against terrorism and harsh regimes, but you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why that all happens. And especially the iraq war, there are a lot of evidence that the U. States attacked iraq because of oil, oil, oil. And the most of the president bushs staff, like chenney are corrupt. But you cant see something like this you believe every propaganda in your media without doubting if its right or wrong. The USA forms a democratic Iraq for the public and behind it they use'em like a puppet. I call such thing imperialism or slavery. And why they do this because america is soon, 10-15 years, out of oil. Naturally you cant see such things. And by the way The Iraq don't shipped out any weapons to syria, because they had no weapons at this time. The weapons you're talking about, saddam usethem early nintys against kurdish and other folks in the irak. I dont like saddam and company, like the most of you but it wasn't necessary to make a big war. And a few months ago perhaps last month i dont remember exactly the u. states admitted in the public that they get false informations of the secret service. You can call me paranioid, but a lot of experts in the world, not muslims, have investigated and have evidence that there were no weapons in iraq and that the war against the iraq was planned very long before. Dont understand me wrong, I DONT protect cruel saddam and company or any other cruel dictator. But its true that the United states made the war for Profit especially the bush clan and his staff. And anyone who says I tell again im against violence in every form, the most of the muslims are peaceful people. I must admitt that there are fanatics who are misleaded by clerics and terror groups, but i dont think its right to burn houses down or kill people for a cartoon. I also want to say that middleeast is and was always a problematic region. And i myself can understand both palestines and israels problems i hope they will have a solution in sooner time. Thank you for your audience, this was also my last post.

Finally you shut up amerigo, thanks! You've talked too much. I can only hear you hate talking about muslims, muslims and again muslims. I'm against terrorism and harsh regimes, but you should look in the mirror and ask yourself why that all happens. And especially the iraq war, there are a lot of evidence that the U. States attacked iraq because of oil, oil, oil. And the most of the president bushs staff, like chenney are corrupt. But you cant see something like this you believe every propaganda in your media without doubting if its right or wrong. The USA forms a democratic Iraq for the public and behind it they use'em like a puppet. I call such thing imperialism or slavery. And why they do this because america is soon, 10-15 years, out of oil. Naturally you cant see such things. And by the way The Iraq don't shipped out any weapons to syria, because they had no weapons at this time. The weapons you're talking about, saddam usethem early nintys against kurdish and other folks in the irak. I dont like saddam and company, like the most of you but it wasn't necessary to make a big war. And a few months ago perhaps last month i dont remember exactly the u. states admitted in the public that they get false informations of the secret service. You can call me paranioid, but a lot of experts in the world, not muslims, have investigated and have evidence that there were no weapons in iraq and that the war against the iraq was planned very long before. Dont understand me wrong, I DONT protect cruel saddam and company or any other cruel dictator. But its true that the United states made the war for Profit especially the bush clan and his staff. And anyone who says I tell again im against violence in every form, the most of the muslims are peaceful people. I must admitt that there are fanatics who are misleaded by clerics and terror groups, but i dont think its right to burn houses down or kill people for a cartoon. I also want to say that middleeast is and was always a problematic region. And i myself can understand both palestines and israels problems i hope they will have a solution in sooner time. Thank you for your audience, this was also my last post.

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I think this is all very sad. I don't think there is a "typical" thought amongst americans, turks, iranians, etc. There are a lot of people whose interests would be bettered if you believed that way... but it won't serve you or your religion (whichever religion that might be). These groupings are dangerous. One person draws an offensive cartoon, which is printed in a paper, and then an entire country is condemend for it? A group of fanatics who (by their own religious beliefs) are evil, kill people. Innocent people... then the country of Iraq is attacked..? (not to mention that it didn't have any ties to the aforementioned atrocity). I'm sorry but I'm an american, and born jewish... and I have disdain for the atrocities commited by all parties... but we must be careful when we "simplify" this be saying


"all x do this..."



You can substitute americans, jews, or muslims for x... it really doesn't matter. The problem remains the same. As for this film, I think its typical of the time. A lot of anger. Misdirected useless anger. We need each other in this... we need to see each other and this demonizing on both sides leaves a dangerous situation. You can kill each other in this situation.



I was born jewish but I'm not religious. I wish someone would show me why I show me why I should be.

I think this is all very sad. I don't think there is a "typical" thought amongst americans, turks, iranians, etc. There are a lot of people whose interests would be bettered if you believed that way... but it won't serve you or your religion (whichever religion that might be). These groupings are dangerous. One person draws an offensive cartoon, which is printed in a paper, and then an entire country is condemend for it? A group of fanatics who (by their own religious beliefs) are evil, kill people. Innocent people... then the country of Iraq is attacked..? (not to mention that it didn't have any ties to the aforementioned atrocity). I'm sorry but I'm an american, and born jewish... and I have disdain for the atrocities commited by all parties... but we must be careful when we "simplify" this be saying


"all x do this..."



You can substitute americans, jews, or muslims for x... it really doesn't matter. The problem remains the same. As for this film, I think its typical of the time. A lot of anger. Misdirected useless anger. We need each other in this... we need to see each other and this demonizing on both sides leaves a dangerous situation. You can kill each other in this situation.



I was born jewish but I'm not religious. I wish someone would show me why I show me why I should be.

I believe several people have made some good points here, some constructive, and some not so constructive. However, the important thing is we're talking, and that's important. First and foremost, there is good and evil in all civilizations and races...period. America is not perfect by any means, but then again, true democracy and freedom have never been neat and tidy, they tend to be a bit messy, and without a doubt America has some internal messes it needs to attend to.

It is very easy to generalize and stereotype a certain culture, religion, or group, but it's much more difficult to honestly look at ones own culture, beliefs, and the stereotypes these beliefs sometimes perpetuate. The difficult road is to look within yourself and examine your own beliefs, biasts, and stereotypes and ask yourself, "is this contructive or destructive?" For example, if a majority of a certain culture or group does not want to be labeled or stereotyped as "terrorists" then those who do not agree with terrorist tactics must raise their voices loud enough to let the minority know, "stop what you are doing, you do not speak for me, my culture, or my religion, and what you're doing is wrong in any God's eyes!"

Not speaking out and remaining silent is tantamount to condoning the brutal and heinous actions of a few, and one only needs to look back at the rise of Naziism to see where the path of silence leads. Again, this is only one example, there are many others that can be used for America as well, but the difference here is for the most part Americans (I'm speaking of the people, not out govermnet) do speak out when we see injustice, repression, or intolerance, and most of the time (not always) we do so in a non-violent way to get our point across and hopefully right the wrongs of injustice, we do not however kill innocent women and children at bus stops or in buildings, this is counterproductive to any cause and takes away the moral "high ground" and only brings more misery, death, and hatred.

One of the greatest men of our time brought a powerful government to its knees and helped set his people and nation free without violence...that man was Ghandi. When a repressed people use non-violent resistance, only a fool would dare meet this peacful resistace with violent force as doing so would only weaken their their position, take away the moral high ground, and would focus the light of truth upon the injustice they inflict.

While America's government may not be perfect, we also have many good traits, we as a nation have given more to help other nations succeed than any nation in the world. Not only with money, but with organizations like the Peace Corps and other charitable organizations. What is disheartening is when the money we do send to help a people and nation to succeed and become prosperous, strong, independant, and productive members of humanity is when their corrupt governments and leaders line their own pockets with the aid money instead of using for what it was intended for, to help their people!

The Marcos of the Philippines comes to mind as well as the recently departed Arafat, which it is now widely known Arafat lined his pockets as well as that of his cronies with lots of aid money that was supposed to help his people.

While this comment may not be very popular, it touches on something amerigo posted, and that is why does America get the blame for everything? Is it America's fault that after many years and many BILLIONS of American aid sent to help build a better life for Arabs in Palestine they are no better off? If you listen to most of the rehtoric coming from the Arab world, yes, it is America's fault. My point is, there comes a time for every nation, culture, or people to honestly look at themselves and what role they play which helps perpetuates their situation and the stereotypes they wear. It's easy to place blame and be the victim, it's much more difficult work to create change...a leader who steals money earmarked to help his people is not a leader, nor does he care about his people.

Unfortunately as far as history can remember religion has been responsible for more death, mayhem, and bloodhsed than any other reason, and it is this fact that this is truly sad. It's sad in many ways, and I don't care what your religion is, any religion that kills in the name of their God (and I mean ANY GOD, regardless if it's Allah, Buddah, or whatever) goes completely contrary to religions message of love, tolerance, and working together as one humanity for the good of ALL!!

There are grievances on all sides of the issue, some justified, others are not. Yes, America does not always do the right thing, I will be the first to admit that, but then again, those countries who have never done wrong may cast the first stone...

All nations, people, and cultures must do their part to stop the very things that hinder what I believe to be what most people (with the exception of minority of people) hope to achieve, and that is all humanity living in peace and working for the better of the whole.

To achieve this goal we must all work together and not allow a few dictate our future, because if we do not start working together and we continue on this path of silence there will be no winners, only losers. We must all learn tolerance and acceptance and not allow those who hate a people or a culture because they have beliefs and religions that differ from their own to take us on the path to destruction. If we continue to let these few take us down this perilous path it's only a matter of time when someone unleashes a nuke, this is truly frightening because it must be remembered that America has always had the "MAD" policy (Mutually Assured Destruction) when it comes to being attacked with an unconventional weapon (a nuke). As I said, if we continue on this path I fear this is what will happen...there will be no winners, only losers and many on both sides will suffer and die as a result.

I'll end (I know, finally) with a couple of my favorite quotes..."beware of ignorance and want, for upon their brow is written the word DOOM!" and "where they burn books, soon they burn bodies."

Take care all, and lets hope peace and love prevail!

Hey Amerigo who cares about your soldiers getting killed in iraq because they're getting what they deserved that will teach you american bastards about invading other peoples land and killing them and destroying their cultural landmarks and heritage in this case doing the dirty work for those oil corporations and ISRAEL and who are you to call other people or countries terrorists since your country itself was built on terrorism ( just ask the NATIVE AMERICANS what happened to them.).

You come off sounding like those right wing CONservitive neocon types who just listens to the jew propagander coming from Fox "news" and the like thinking there was weapons of mass destruction when there were none and lets face it you guys were the ones that gave saddam those chemical weapons that gased the kurds during the 80's when he was supported by you americans remember that amerigo!

It seems to me that things were better under saddam hussein than they are now under the ZOG occupation and bet you any money that the iraqis would vote saddam back now if they had the chance to live under a secular government instead of a backwards theocracy under the phony guise of "democracy".

The bottom line is america is going to lose in iraq just the same way what happened in VIETNAM and i hate to think whats going to occur if america is stupid enough to invade iran and since the soldiers voluntered and werent drafted they deserve what they get whether killed or maimed and their grave sites needs to be urinated and spat on for their crimes against the iraqi people.

Down with ZOG(zionst occupied government)

Probably, this is the first time, you see that Americans and also Jewishes are bad man in a movie. You used to see bad characters as Russians, Arabics...

In my opinion, the film's aim is to show 4 big events based on a true story.

1) living bombs, (who wants to die, you will learn)
2) attack on civils in wedding celebration by American Soldiers.
3) killing of a religios leader of muslims.
4) arresting of Turkish soldiers by (ex-ally) USA.

These all are reality.
Neither less, nor more.

A dialog in America.

Girl : Where are you from?
My friend: Turkey.
Girl : in which state?

This is what most of american know about the world or themselves.

They say you Muslims are terrorist, you believed.
They say you Usame Bin Laden is in Iraq, you believed.

They kill innocent people(women,children), you keep your silence.

Do you know anything about Islam?
Do you know anything about Turkey? (except Midnight Express)

Sure you have a few words to say,
WHAT THEY TEACHED YOU!

At this time a film had showed you, the other face of the WAR. You get SHOCKED.

Go on living with lies that you believe all are undiscussable truthes.

NO.

OPEN YOUR EYES A BIT MORE.

show this movie in kansas and bagdad...let us see what the reaction would be...it aint Oz anymore dorothy (well maybe it is alas the HBO Oz)...long live free speech...long live the couragous Turks to turn the tables around...for those opposed ..please sit through Arnold's (both swangener (massive sp?) and tom arnold that is )True Lies of the 1990s and see the obvious racism involved...and compare you boneheadsss..

We always watch the world from the good side of US, how good they are for the world all the time, but with that entire invasion you can't expect democracy tomorrow. The situation is that the WORLD is closed to SEE the other side of the situation. This movie is the first and therefore thanks - there should go long time before some producer’s could take action to make a film, which shows the brutal side of the troops and their way to make peace, we actually know are taking place.
The allied Americans action against eleven Turk soldiers with hoods on their heads with no respect to their allies, treated as terrorist, is the main point in the movie. We have to see things in other point of view, everything is to discussion, but don’t be upset – it is based on truth story, which is one of US (plus its allies) many failures in the IRAQ!
It is no propaganda! It is true!

It is a movie people! Geez! I'm happy for the hate America people around the world, but do I care? Let me answer that for you. Hell no, I don't care. I still live in the greatest nation on earth. I make over $100,000 a year, I can eat whatever I want, my kids go to the best schools and will attend college, I sleep in a $5,000 air adjustable bed, I have three TVs, I have two houses and twenty acres of land, my investment portfolio will make me a rich man by the time I retire, I own an SUV and a diesel pick up truck, I have the best money can buy, and I live in luxory. It's no wonder so many people want to come to America. You all can keep frothing at the mouth, yelling and screaming and burning our flag, you don't bother me one little bit. I'll be laughing at all of you; all the way to the bank.

It is a movie people! Geez! I'm happy for the hate America people around the world, but do I care? Let me answer that for you. Hell no, I don't care. I still live in the greatest nation on earth. I make over $100,000 a year, I can eat whatever I want, my kids go to the best schools and will attend college, I sleep in a $5,000 air adjustable bed, I have three TVs, I have two houses and twenty acres of land, my investment portfolio will make me a rich man by the time I retire, I own an SUV and a diesel pick up truck, I have the best money can buy, and I live in luxory. It's no wonder so many people want to come to America. You all can keep frothing at the mouth, yelling and screaming and burning our flag, you don't bother me one little bit. I'll be laughing at all of you; all the way to the bank.

It is a movie people! Geez! I'm happy for the hate America people around the world, but do I care? Let me answer that for you. No, I don't care. I still live in the greatest nation on earth. I make over $100,000 a year, I can eat whatever I want, my kids go to the best schools and will attend college, I sleep in a $5,000 air adjustable bed, I have three TVs, I have two houses and twenty acres of land, my investment portfolio will make me a rich man by the time I retire, I own an SUV and a diesel pick up truck, I have the best money can buy, and I live in luxory. It's no wonder so many people want to come to America. You all can keep frothing at the mouth, yelling and screaming and burning our flag, you don't bother me one little bit. I'll be laughing at all of you; all the way to the bank.

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